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Precinct 444: The National Law Enforcement Museum Podcast

Over a decade of planning and persistence in the making, the National Law Enforcement Museum has opened its doors to the public. Finally, citizens and law enforcement professionals from diverse perspectives and backgrounds will have a place to share in the vibrant story of American law enforcement. Within the walls of the Museum’s strikingly contemporary exterior, artifacts from our collection of more than 25,000 objects tell the story of American law enforcement – past, present, and future – and engage visitors of all ages in memorable, immersive and experiential exhibits. More importantly, we’re proud that the Museum will serve as a platform for constructive dialogue to help strengthen relationships between law enforcement and the communities they serve. We invite all listeners to follow us and submit questions for upcoming episodes!

For questions or inquiries about the show: Precinct444@nleomf.org

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Precinct 444: The National Law Enforcement Museum Podcast

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April 28, 2025 • Season 11 • Episode 5

In this engaging podcast series hosted by Thomas Canavan, the Executive Director of the National Law Enforcement Museum, we examine the vital role that law enforcement think tanks and policy centers play in shaping contemporary policing practices. Each episode features in-depth interviews with leading experts in the field, exploring their insights, research, and the innovative strategies they advocate to enhance public safety and community engagement.

Chris, a former law enforcement officer with 28 years at the Mountain View Police Department and later undersheriff in San Mateo County, shared insights into his leadership journey and current role as Executive Director of The Curve, an initiative founded by Simon Sinek. Drawing inspiration from Silicon Valley’s culture of innovation, Chris emphasized the importance of human-centered leadership in law enforcement. He discussed how The Curve aims to reshape police culture by promoting vulnerability, communication, and continuous learning, shifting the focus from traditional enforcement to “protecting the vulnerable.”

The conversation explored how The Curve engages early adopters and innovative thinkers in policing, using principles from the law of diffusion of innovation to inspire gradual cultural change. Chris highlighted the growing importance of interpersonal skills, responsible use of technology like AI, and trust-building with communities. The Curve offers free resources, webinars, and outreach events designed to supplement—not replace—existing training by adding a vital human dimension to law enforcement. The goal is to foster a more empathetic, effective, and community-oriented police culture across the country.

View the Museum's Public Program page to learn more about each participant.

https://nleomf.org/museum/precinct-444/